In this episode, we sit down with Dave Merkel, CEO of Expel to take an honest, practical look at how AI and automation are reshaping the modern Security Operations Center (SOC). Our discussion covers the most tangible changes in daily SOC operations since AI adoption, cutting through industry hype to reveal which claims deserve skepticism and which use cases have delivered meaningful, measurable value. Dave also gives insights into quantifying unique workloads, shaping policies, and fostering